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rather than see their environment as a prison, he and the other leaders turned it into something that was productive. as saki just said, they had faith and they had hope. but they also had faith that those people running around that prison yard and sometimes playing soccer also had to study their books so that one day they would be able to lead the country as people like saki and some of the others who were there on robin island do it today. >> and while doing it they had hard physical labor. he contracted tuberculosis while he was at robin island. but you mentioned how he made friends with the guards. and the wardens there. he was not an idealist. he was very pragmatic. i mean, there was a part of him so generous he would do that, but there was also a reason to do it in that it made sense to bring them over to his side. and i think doesn't that apply to his approach to a free south africa, because at his core he always believed that he could find a pragmatic forward way to make that happen. >> that's right. and he reached out. when he got out of prison, he brought in africaners
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